What can Christians learn from Jordan Peterson?
Jubilee Night Adult Education, Fall 2018 Course Outline
What can Christians learn from Jordan Peterson?
Twelve week course outline
This discussion group aims to probe Jordan B. Peterson's ideas, especially in relation to Christianity, and his impact on today's culture. Each one hour session will begin with a 10 -15 minute video, excerpted from a longer video. You are encouraged to watch, read or listen to the longer resources ahead of time, if you are able. Questions and references to scripture will be pursued during the remaining time.
- What can the Church learn from Jordan Peterson
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Some short YouTube clips, by way of introductionSpeaking events
and Videos
A dialogue between Syd Hielema and Paul VanderKlay about the impact of Jordan Peterson
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Excerpts (12:53)
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Full video (57:08)
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Scripture
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Discussion points
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What are your impressions of Jordan Peterson?Why is Peterson so popular and vilified at the same time?Recall Bible passages In which unbelievers proclaim God.
- What can we learn form people who do not profess Christ?
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Short video: The Shackles of MarriageDescription of the 15-Part, 2017 Lecture series by Dr. Jordan B. PetersonBiblical Series Lecture 2:Genesis 1 - Chaos and Order
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Full Video & Transcript (2:32:32)
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Scripture
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Discussion points
- First reaction to video:
Incomprehensible / ho-hum / inspiring / problematic / ???
Living the tension between order and chaosDo we feel 'God-like'/divine/creative?Care through speech/namingFurthering creation - one foot in chaosPeterson's passion vs Christian passion for caringUtopian ideal vs pie-in-the-skyAuthority/competence vs power
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Kindness limited to kin or extended to all kinds
- Logos
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Short video: The Purpose Of LifeShort video: Sermon excerpt on 'Peace' (James 3:13-18)Resurrection of Logos Panel Discussion
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Excerpt (16:07)
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Scripture
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Discussion points
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Concretization of ChristianityAwareness of potentialLiving in the garden - paradise (order & chaos)Humans in the image of LogosUnderstanding evil at the micro level (small sins)Aim for the highest goodSpeak the truthResponsibility for everythingBearing our cross
- Making things better
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Becoming a Self, episode 9 of the 13 part TVO series Maps of Meaning: The Architecture of Belief, broadcast in 2004
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Excerpts (12:29)Full Video (28:00)
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Scripture
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Genesis 2-4
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Discussion points
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Naked -> sexual shame/vulnerabilty?Fig leaves -> modesty/culture?What are we hiding from?God's curse -> injunction/description?Adam/Eve, Male/Female -> Culture/Nature, Order/Chaos?Gratification: now or later?
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Was the Fall inevitable/desirable?
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Conference on personal meaning, July 25, 2008Broadcast by TVO
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Excerpts (11:19)Full video (42:35)
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Scripture: Job 2:6-10Discussion points
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What do we confront?What overwhelms us?Theological equivalent of insufficiencyWhich vulnerabilities do we love in others?Which of our vulnerabilities are desirable?Is cancer evil?How much arrogance and resentment do we feel
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Two approaches/antithesis
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The Psychology of Redemption in ChristianityA TVO Big Ideas Lecture from 2012
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Excerpts (14:51)Full video (46:35)
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Scripture
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Discussion points
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How strong is the feeling of our need for redemption?How much nightmare fills our awareness?Where are we on the pride/humility axis?Do we experience dying to rebirth continually?Are we disciplined?Are we a living sacrifice?What do we aim at?
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Can we experience redemption on our own power?
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Biblical Series Lecture 12:The Great Sacrifice: Abraham and Isaac
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Excerpts (15:12)Full Video & Transcript (2:33:31)
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Scripture
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Genesis 22
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Discussion points
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How do we lift our gaze above the mundane?How do we worship?When have you felt reconstituted?What do we sacrifice, materially and abstractly?How do we embody our faith? Is 'heaven on earth' a good goal for Christians?
- What is the psychological significance of Christ's ultimate sacrifice?
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Jordan B. Peterson, 12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos
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London: How To Academy book summary by Peterson
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Full Video (1:30:32)
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Rules
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Stand up straight with your shoulders back
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Video excerpt (12:27)ScriptureDiscussion points
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Privately rank yourself, 1 - 10, in the lobster hierarchyWhat is the root of (your/my) self-esteem?
- How do we get in the way of people standing straight?
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Treat yourself like someone you are responsible for helping
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Video excerpt (6:37)Scripture
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Discussion points
- Are loving yourself and loving your neighbour in conflict or inseperable?Is self-love selfish?
- On what is your responsibility for helping others grounded?
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Make friends with people who want the best for you
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Video excerpt (2:53)Scripture
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Discussion points
- Is this why we have church - to have good friends? If Only You Knew What I Know - Tim Challies - How does this tie in?Is this directive as much about wanting others to have good friends?
- Friend examples
- Friendship GroupsLife groups?Mentors?
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Rules
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Compare yourself to who you were yesterday, not to who someone else is today
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Video excerpt (11:40)Scripture
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Discussion points
- "Aim for a better life"How does this striving compare to good works done in gratitude?Is Peterson, with his pep talk, 'turning to God?'"Take, O take me as I am; summon out what I shall be; set your seal upon my heart and live in me."
- What is the godly way of dealing with resentment?
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Do not let your children do anything that makes you dislike them
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Video excerpt (11:36)Scripture
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Discussion points
- Share your own observations about how the child rearing landscape has changed.
- Is there a 'biblical' or 'christian' root to guidelines for raising children?
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Set your house in perfect order before you criticize the world
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Video excerpt (9:52)Scripture
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Discussion points
- 'Think gobal, act local' - is this a corollary?
- Whose fault is it when there is suffering?
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Rules
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Pursue what is meaningful, not what is expedient
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Video excerpt (6:14)
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Discussion points
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Tell the truth -- or, at least, don't lie
- Video (6:52)
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Scripture: Ephesians 4: 17-25
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Discussion points
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Why do you suppose Peterson forgot or skipped this one and the "Be precise" rule?
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How do we "speak the truth"
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I know the truth and I will clobber you with it until you do too.
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We speak the truth to power.
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I don't really know what's true - there's nothing there to speak of.
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When transcendental issues arise I will speak what I believe to be true.
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Only Jesus can say, "Truly I tell you".
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We gain consensus by speaking together until we can truly agree.
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What I know I will share.
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There is no truth if it goes unspoken
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Assume the person you are listening to might know something you don't
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Video excerpt (6:53)
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Discussion points
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Be precise in your speech
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Discussion points
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Rules
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Do not bother children when they are skateboarding
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Video excerpt (5:27)
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Discussion points
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Pet a cat when you encounter one on the street
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Video excerpt (5:27)
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Discussion points
- Free speech
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Scripture: James 3: 1-12 NIV - Taming the Tongue
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Videos
- Why Freedom of Speech Is Necessary - Jordan B Peterson (7:17)
- Jordan Peterson on Free Speech and College Protests - The Jim Jefferies Show (6:16)
- Jordan Peterson - Free Speech & the Right to Offend (2:52)
- Jordan Peterson - The Language of Power vs Freedom of Speech Queens University (3:26)
- 20170517 Senate hearing on Bill C16 (1:00:08)
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Discussion points
- Is there a biblical defense of free speech - ERLC
- Freedom of speech - First Things
- Freedom of speech is born out of the responsibility to speak
- Speaking freely is a responsiibility
- Free speech is a right.
- Can freedom of speech be an issue in the church?
There’s some real utility in gratitude. It’s also good protection against the dangers of victimhood and resentment.
Consult your resentment. It’s a revelatory emotion, for all its pathology. It’s part of an evil triad: arrogance, deceit, and resentment. Nothing causes more harm than this underworld Trinity. But resentment always means one of two things. Either the resentful person is immature, in which case he or she should shut up, quit whining, and get on with it, or there is tyranny afoot—in which case the person subjugated has a moral obligation to speak up. Why? Because the consequence of remaining silent is worse. Of course, it’s easier in the moment to stay silent and avoid conflict. But in the long term, that’s deadly. When you have something to say, silence is a lie—and tyranny feeds on lies.
You realize that it’s a mistake to aim for a better life, if it comes at the cost of worsening someone else’s. So, you get creative. You decide that you want a better life, in a manner that will also make the life of your family better. Or the life of your family, and your friends. Or the life of your family, and your friends, and the strangers who surround them. What about your enemies? Do you want to include them, too? You don’t know how to manage that. But you’ve read some history. You know how enmity compounds. So, you start to wish even your enemies well, at least in principle, although you are by no means yet a master of such sentiments.
Course resources prepared and compiled by Henry J. de Jong
Course Details
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Wednesday evenings, 7:00 - 8:00 pm.Starting September 19, 2018(Supper fellowship at 6:00 pm.)Guests are welcomeJubilee Fellowship Christian Reformed Church13 Wilholme Drive., St. Catharines, ON